More broadly - has there ever been any case of a home defender shooting at a burglar, missing, then hitting a bystander through an external wall? And has there ever been any case of that homeowner being successfully sued?įrom what I understand, misses in Self-Defense are protected by the principal of "Transferred Intent":įrom a purely ballistic standpoint, a pellet of #4 buckshot is 20gr of soft lead, with 00 weighing 54gr. Spread is the only thing such a platform has going for it. This is especially true in the case of the Shockwave, which lacks a shoulder stock and has low practical accuracy - it's essentially a 5lb, 26" long pistol without a rear sight. View QuoteI think that kind of misses the reality of self defense / combat over the last 100+ years - where the vast majority of shots fired miss completely. The biggest benefit to shotguns are terminal performance. Or, in the case of the Shockwave, a 5-8shot pump action pistol stick.I'm only passing on my experience using a shotgun with buckshot against aggressive moving insergeants.Īny hit is not more effective if you need to shoot again to anchor the enemy. With slugs/flite control, you lose the primary benefit the shotgun offers, and turn it into a mediocre 5-8shot pump action rifle. More broadly, increased hit probability is the the only real advantage a shotgun offers (other then cost.) Especially against aggressive moving targets. Besides Vang comp work its either flight control/versatite buckshot or slugs for social use.I'd say any hit is more effective then a miss, which is why a wider spread is advantageous. Wider patterns of buckshot are marginally effective for fighting and I completely swore off using buckshot for social use after my experiences using buckshot that had large, inconsistent, open patterns at close ranges. Half a load of buckshot is not effective at stopping a threat.
I want something effective for when I hit. Besides Vang comp work its either flight control/versatite buckshot or slugs for social use.
We don't want inacurate SD handguns or rifles in the hopes that if we miss due to stress we may hit the target.
#Mossberg shockwave buckshot vs slug free
You can see that this miss occurred during ideal, stress free range conditions.
The tightly patterning Hornady buckshot results in a complete miss at 10 yards, where a wider spread would have been fatal: We can see the perils of that here: this is a Screen grab from MrGunsNGear's testing of the Shockwave. Pistol grip + tight pattern + surprise/stress/2 way range = a decent chance of missing completely. That looks like the exact opposite of what makes an effective pattern on a fighting shotgun.Depends on what effect you are going for - maximum terminal performance (where a tight grouping is optimal) or maximum hit probability (where a wider spread is beneficial.)įor a pistol grip only sawed off shotgun for surprise social work, I personally think hit probability is a lot more important then terminal performance. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker’s body.” In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 20 percent more potentially effective wound trauma. The total combined cross sectional area of the 15 pellets is. A standard 2 ¾-inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 15 pellets of #1 buck. “Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances. I explained to Hal why #1 buck would be an improvement over 00 buck." These are the folks that manufacture and market Federal ammo. "Several years ago at the SHOT Show I spoke with a very nice gentleman named Hal at the ATK booth.
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